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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host i'm pretty excited

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about tonight's guest dr michael masters

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it's been a while since he's been on

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he's written a book since then he's uh

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and uh he has his phd in anthropology

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and he has an idea that what we may be

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seeing driving the vehicles could be

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time travelers i think that's a

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i think that's a concept uh that is very

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fascinating a friend of mine told me

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when she was about i think she said when

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she was six or seven years old

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she actually had that idea

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and she knew about ufos and she was uh

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thinking that that's a possibility i'm

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sorry she said she was 12 i think she

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said but anyway i i think that's

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fascinating he's not the first one to

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think of it but he has really thought it

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out and made a lot of uh really

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interesting uh conclusions

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uh of the possibilities of that in

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particular so before uh dr michael

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masters i have karen brierd and she is

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going to be talking about an exciting

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thing that i'm going to be attending and

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i'll let her talk about that i well i'll

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give a little bit of a clue

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international ufo congress live in

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phoenix i guess i kind of gave it away

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but uh the blog this week from charles

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lear a great one as usual is called an

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ohio ufo case that was left to die so

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another great one by charles lear and he

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did that uh one last week about ufology

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in china and uh his he's really getting

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good at all these different languages

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and pronunciations at least they sound

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good anyway but uh i that's enough for

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me i want to thank everyone that

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supports the show anyone can do that

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over at podcastufo.com

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it's right up on the menu bar to support

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the show for now i'm bringing in karen

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karen welcome

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hi martin thanks for having me

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i'm so excited to have you for you to

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talk about what's going on i'm really

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really excited about the live conference

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this year and i think it's going to be

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a gangbuster because i think people have

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are kind of fed up with this covert

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thing they're dying to go somewhere

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and uh you're even having this at

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another resort that there's a lake

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around it i mean right near it and all

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that i'm so excited about so let's hear

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the details karen about the dates and

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date and all that and by the way i will

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link all that information in

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in a link in the show notes and up on

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youtube as well after this show tonight

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thank you for that oh yeah so let's hear

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about it yeah we're so excited and to be

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back after three years and at our new

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venue which is really beautiful um i

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know that you know i i got a lot of uh

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feedback than when we left the week of

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paw um that you know they wanted

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something kind of more like that i tried

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to go back to the wikipod but it's not

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the same anymore and

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very very expensive um so i found the

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place in mesa

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it's actually the cubs

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baseball team's

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spring training field and hotel

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it's got lots of great places to

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socialize a big bar a big pool area a

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big restaurant and then out front it has

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this big it has this lake with palm

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trees and a walking path so you can take

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a nice evening walk or morning walk and

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can we play baseball any beautiful

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mythology baseball teams no i won't tell

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anybody if you sneak on the field okay

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all right i'll see what i can do uh we

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could have like yeah the uh ufo baseball

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team yeah uh

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the who's against the who's we have to

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figure out yeah yeah

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there is division in ufo right here we

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have quite a bit so nuts and bolts maybe

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non-twitter maybe that should be it yeah

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idea good idea

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but anyway uh let's hear who the guests

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are i know you yeah you don't have them

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all signed up right yeah i'll start with

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the dates it is october 12th through

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16th we're doing a little bit different

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we're starting wednesday night that

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allows people to get you know a little

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bit more time to get there um so we'll

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start with the banquet like we always

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have a banquet on wednesday night we're

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going to continue to do that where we'll

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give out um prizes from the vendors and

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things like that uh raffles and whatnot

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um and then it goes then 13th the 14th

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and the 15th will be um

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lectures and then saturday night we'll

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have our awards banquet like we always

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do and then sunday is going to be

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reserved for workshops that we'll be

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announcing um so

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that those are the days and then some of

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the events that we're going to have this

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we're going to have the experiencer

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sessions which are

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when experiencers talk and discuss their

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encounters um and that's free to anyone

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who has a ticket and then uh

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we are going to have the ufo jeopardy

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that's we're going to have one evening

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we're going to play ufo jeopardy ufo

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okay great awesome uh sky watch with ben

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hansen that's always fun

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at uh south mountain that'll be an extra

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excursion that you can take and then

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this year since it's near halloween

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we're gonna do a a costume party a

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halloween costume party so

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extra luggage extra luggage bring their

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actual their mask with them and uh

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so a fun filled event with lots of

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things to do and of course the film

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festival so you can be a judge and judge

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them or screen them if you'd like and

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we're also going to have it

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a virtual you can buy a virtual ticket

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as well so then you can follow along on

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the whove app just like the last two

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conferences we've had um so they'll be

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able to participate too

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awesome and uh some of our wonderful

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speakers are david marlar and he is best

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known for his triangle triangular

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ufo research um

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but he also has tons of other things

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that he's working on um he did the

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battle of l.a and i think he's going to

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do a new case this time so that'll be

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really interesting great he also has one

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of the biggest the largest maybe the

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largest library

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ufo related materials anywhere right now

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turkey new mexico he keeps uh i don't

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know how he keeps jamming it in his

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garage but

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i think he just keeps i think he might

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be building i think he's built on an

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ignition since then he needs a bigger

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boat yeah that's right he's actually

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he'll probably talk about hit their um

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they're going to eventually move it to

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well when he passes away it'll be going

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to the university of albuquerque i think

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that's alejandro

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yes um but uh yvonne smith she'll be

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here to do the experiencer sessions um

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hypnotherapist who works with contactees

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um brian bender he is the politico

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reporter who broke one of the

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first stories about the pentagon ufo

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program and since then of course he's

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released story after story

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um about ufos and in fact i think it was

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his article that pushed

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the government to have that hearing that

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they had you know most recently because

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they hadn't planned anything until that

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article came out so it's kind of

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interesting that he's

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manipulating

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other people by what he writes um of

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course michael masters who's going to be

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on later yeah

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is coming again um and he's got that

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great talk about um what aliens might be

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from the future

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her teacher coming back to visit us

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uh katie page mufal and field

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investigator she'll be here talking

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about her investigations and also her

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um oh so going back to david david i

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think is going to talk about

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a case about a child who went witnessing

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a ufo and had physical effects from that

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right at the laundromat or something

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right i remember the story yes

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yeah that's a fascinating case

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oh ben hanson will do our sky watch and

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also um he's gonna haven't

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have a talk about um

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what if you know we were

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invaded and what are the what might

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happen and because he's doing research

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right now he's getting a

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master's or a phd i'm not sure um in

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disaster management so he's going to

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take it from that perspective and it's

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going to be based on his thesis so

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that'll be pretty interesting wow and

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then uh john ramirez

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um he was former cia or fbi cia eia and

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he has a lot of interesting things to

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share about what he witnessed as far as

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a lot of it was

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what he actually he was a kind of was

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interested in ufos to begin with before

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he ever started but he will talk about

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this

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situation when he went to something that

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was open to the public basically and

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they started talking about

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what they think the uh visitors may be

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you know in an open meeting which was

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really bizarre and there were a lot of

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people there from that had email

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addresses you looked at that had edu a

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lot of uh you know college professors

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and i think uh people like that were

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visiting so but yeah he has a great

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great story

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him highly recommended so yeah glad

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we're getting him and um stacy wright

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she is the state director uh the mufon

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state director for arizona and she's

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actually going to talk about

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the big event in 1997 in phoenix where

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we had um a big flyover of ufos so she's

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going to talk about that

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great phoenix lights

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march 13th 1997. that's right i believe

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that's right

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anyway wow i'm so excited i know you

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have i believe you have several more

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people that you just get to get the

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contract signed and right so all that

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information

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will be on your website

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when when that's all updated

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right you can go again

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and check out all the different

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options there as far as tickets

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um and i just want to mention the

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vendors we are going to have vendors

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right now i'm working on getting that um

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application together and so that'll be

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posted soon as well

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so if you want to sell something uh you

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can come on and do that excellent karen

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thank you so much i can't wait to see

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like two months away so yeah i know

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it'll go fast too summer always goes way

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too fast here but anyway thank you so

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much

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and also a link on the website to book

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your hotel use that link to book your

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hotel to get the

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group rate and do you know don't

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hesitate because there are limited

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amount of hotel rooms there's less hotel

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rooms than at uh the week of paw however

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once those are gone we're going to have

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other hotels very close by to

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take up the slack but if you want to be

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right there at the hotel

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book your hotel now yeah that's a great

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idea all right karen you take care all

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right you too martin all right say hi to

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alejandro all right

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okay

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bye now

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all right and now the one and only dr

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michael masters how are you michael hey

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martin good uh how are you doing i'm

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doing great always uh always enjoy uh

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having well you've only been on the show

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once so i can't say well i always enjoy

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talking to you yeah we came on

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definitely talked more than once but

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right when was that 2019

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it was i believe so and you've written a

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book since then but you also came on for

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my um 10th year anniversary which i

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think oh yeah hashtag pod party that's

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right that was fun

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pod party that's right i forgot all

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about that yeah

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yeah

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the person who has never seen your you

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on this show before or not familiar with

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you why don't you give quickly your

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background and

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how you came up with this uh theory you

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you had kind of an interest i heard on

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another interview something happened

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when you were younger but let's uh let's

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start from the beginning uh is that is

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that so something did you have some type

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um no not really it was just sort of a

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precognitive thing and i've had

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precognition my entire life it's always

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been dream precognition this is one of

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those oh that's right it was it's just

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yeah i remember yeah no it wasn't it

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wasn't actually i was awake i was um i

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had heard about a ufo encounter that my

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dad had before i was born he was telling

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that story around the age of eight and

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when whitley strieber's book came out he

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got a copy of it and it was up on the

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shelf and i remember looking at it and

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had sort of this flash of light i guess

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that's the best way to describe it and

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um

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envision actually i have one right here

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i think i used this in my book just kind

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of a simple uh character of

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what i saw just an early hominin form a

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modern human and then this

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quintessential grey alien form

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from the front cover of whitley's book

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and um

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yeah it just kind of got me curious if

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we could be connected if they could just

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be

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further

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extension of long-term evolutionary

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trends that characterize the last six to

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eight million years obviously i wasn't

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thinking of in these terms as an

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eight-year-old

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um it but

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it was it was at least enough to to

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pique my interest and get me uh to

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research it further um so yeah it's kind

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of been a lifelong pursuit but i'm i'm

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always quick to point out that you know

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i'm quite aware of how that can lead to

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confirmation bias and selection bias but

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uh as as a scientist we are always

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forced to be aware of those things and

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take precautions to avoid those so

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um yeah it was more of just a a

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lifelong

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inquiry into this question of of whether

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or not ufos and aliens could be future

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humans coming back through time and

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um yeah as you mentioned in the intro

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i'm not the first person to think of it

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it

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arrived in my mind independently as an

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eight-year-old but after publishing my

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first book i got the opportunity to meet

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a ton of other people who have also

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thought this and put it out there in

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fact in the first chapter of my new book

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i try to make a comprehensive list of

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all of the people i could find

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working in different capacities to make

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this

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more conventionally understood

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notion and uh goes back all the way to

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the 40s as far as as far as i could tell

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so

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um yeah that's the cliff notes version i

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guess yeah yeah and

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you have come up with an idea of why you

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know some people say well she said if if

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it's the

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infamous grace so to speak

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then how could we possibly evolve to

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that but you kind of haven't you can lay

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that all out in your first book

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i don't i can and you can talk about

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that a little bit but uh what was your

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second book on is it more of the same or

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things that you learned since

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uh since that time that you wrote your

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first book

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no it's it's a fundamentally different

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book it's a different approach to the

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question as well um the first book yeah

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i mostly took a multi-disciplinary

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approach where i

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looked at um

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this this question of

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extratempestrials as i call them and

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whether or not they could be us from the

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future

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um

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drawing from anthropology obviously

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astronomy physics and astrobiology and

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mostly focused on long-term trends in

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hominin evolution rather than

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speculating about what might happen

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between now and whatever point in the

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future or futures they might be coming

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back from just focusing on these

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existing trends that characterize the

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last six to eight million years of

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hominin evolution most notably an

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increase in our cranial capacity and a

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more rounded skull in general we have a

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mediolateral expansion of our parietal

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lobes our frontal cortex has grown out

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over the eyes to the extent that we're

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the only mammal with that cranial facial

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characteristic our mid and lower facial

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anatomy have shrunk back

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we've lost body hair

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our hands have become highly dexterous

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we've created tools and technology

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so if all these trends that characterize

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the hominin past continue into the

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future we are likely to look and act

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very similar to what's described in most

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of these closed encounters i also looked

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at some problems with the

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extraterrestrial hypothesis um

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one being the just how unlikely it is

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the low probability that would evolve

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the same way to be

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upright walking hominins on a different

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planet with different atmosphere

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different distance from the sun uh most

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likely a different coating system other

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than the four base pair dna that codes

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all life on this planet

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um and then just also the physics of

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time and time travel how we might

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actually get to the point since there is

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nothing in the laws of physics that

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prohibits backward time travel how we

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might get to the point where we can

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physically do it and return to the past

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in sort of a nuts and bolts capacity

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but this most recent book um

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sort of flips that i didn't really talk

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about abductions or close encounters too

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much in the first one but this one

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mostly focuses on 15 individual case

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studies uh well documented

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well-researched case studies in the

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context of this extra tempestual model

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but also other models put forth to

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explain this phenomenon interdimensional

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hypothesis obviously the

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extraterrestrial hypothesis the

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simulation hypothesis

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ultraterrestrials and others so

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it's not um

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it's it's definitely not the same book i

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did include a lot of things that

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occurred to me or

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information that was given to me after

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writing the first book that i felt i

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should have included in the first one

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but it's not based around that it's just

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worked into

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uh that core concept of a case study

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it's basically a case study of case

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studies

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interesting um so there'll be a there'll

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be a few questions i see one popped up

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um that i'll get to it in just a minute

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but one of the things i believe i

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may have asked you this

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um off air

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so i'm going to ask you now is it

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possible um some people say that it

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would be kind of a miracle if we can

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make it through

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another 100 years without wiping

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ourselves out from either climate change

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or

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is it possible that we could be

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completely wiped out

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in

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like

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you know biped you said you talked about

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the atmosphere the gravity and all that

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uh bipedal uh being that

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eventually evolves into what we call the

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grace and they get highly intelligent

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and then they figure out the time travel

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thing eventually after say two million

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years from now or a million years from

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now considering we're supposed to be

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developed only between there's

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controversy between 190 and

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300 000 years something like that

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which

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to me seems like not very much time

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in the scope of things

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um

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i'm kind of rambling here but what are

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your thoughts on all that stuff i just

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threw at you well i mean that's

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basically the same idea just without the

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cataclysmic event that starts everything

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over

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and and i don't necessarily think that

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will happen um yeah i mean the future

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looks bleak from our vantage point

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looking forward but

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um if these are future humans

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a lot of what we can learn from contact

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cases seems to indicate that we are

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moving toward

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a a state of empathy a higher

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consciousness and i think that would

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translate into

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environmental policy social policies

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political relationships

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and so i i don't know i'm relatively

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optimistic of the future especially if

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we can consider these individuals as

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future humans and obviously some people

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have negative experiences but

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uh the majority especially ones

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involving humans

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based on research from the dr edgar

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mitchell free study indicate that 85

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percent of people actually enjoy

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or are neutral about their experience um

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so so i don't necessarily think that's

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the case and also another thing that i

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learned in researching this this most

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recent book is that

557
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:54,720
it you know the first one was written

558
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:57,120
around this idea that it's these grays

559
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:59,200
were evolving into them and then i would

560
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:00,720
always get asked well how long you know

561
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:03,039
what's the time frame on that and and i

562
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:05,200
really to get those characteristics

563
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:07,600
considering the accelerating curve of

564
00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:09,120
change especially in our cranial

565
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:11,919
capacity and the shape of the skull

566
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:14,799
we've become a neurocranial globularity

567
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:17,360
is the the characteristic that defines

568
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,000
modern humans in addition to our chin uh

569
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:22,799
those two traits are what uh demarks are

570
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:24,799
specific anatomically modern homo

571
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:26,880
sapiens sapient designation

572
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,760
um but in researching this uh this most

573
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:31,520
recent book i realized that a lot of

574
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:33,919
these encounters and in fact again based

575
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:36,240
on the dr edgar mitchell research are

576
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:39,039
with humans that look just like us and

577
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:40,720
talk like us not even to the point where

578
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,120
we develop telepathy in a higher

579
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:44,880
consciousness that allows that through

580
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:45,919
the mind

581
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:48,400
but physical modern humans in the same

582
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:51,280
way that we are and it made me think i

583
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:52,720
sort of had to revise the way i was

584
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,440
approaching this it made me realize that

585
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:57,440
we're likely to have this technology

586
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:58,880
much sooner

587
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:01,039
than i previously thought possibly even

588
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:02,320
within the next hundred years it may

589
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,559
possibly exist now and it's just not

590
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,400
common knowledge yet because that's the

591
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:08,480
way the military works if they have been

592
00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:10,080
reverse engineering a time machine that

593
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,159
crashed into 1947 they've had seven

594
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:14,400
years to do that uh initially i'm sure

595
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:15,840
they would work on the propulsion

596
00:22:19,830 --> 00:22:18,320
systems and then start figuring out some

597
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:19,840
of the other characteristics of these

598
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,640
craft and if time travel capabilities or

599
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:24,480
the ability to manipulate space time is

600
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:26,640
one of those uh we're bound to figure

601
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:28,960
that out sooner than later i think so i

602
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:31,039
think just the trajectory we're on seems

603
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:32,960
to indicate that we're not gonna have

604
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,360
some massive reset we're not just gonna

605
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:37,440
start over and then have to do this in

606
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:39,280
two million years or three million years

607
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:41,280
but that it could likely happen within

608
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,679
the next couple hundred years

609
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:45,520
wow um

610
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:48,240
if if that's the case haven't didn't i

611
00:22:51,190 --> 00:22:49,840
hear and there's some type of i don't

612
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:51,200
know what's coming through your computer

613
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,080
or something i don't know if that's

614
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:55,039
something you can uh silence or not

615
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:56,880
yeah sorry about that i thought my phone

616
00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:00,080
was on silent but it apparently was not

617
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:01,919
so you you mentioned

618
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,320
it it appears in physics that you can go

619
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,480
back in time how about and i'm not

620
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:07,919
trying to make a movie reference here

621
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:10,159
but how about back to the future back to

622
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,799
the current you know just yeah going

623
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:14,400
forward that's a tough part i mean maybe

624
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,919
you can go back

625
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:17,600
but can you go

626
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:20,480
back to the time you just left from

627
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:23,039
is absolutely yeah no and i make the

628
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:24,799
case that that's much more intuitive

629
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:27,280
than uh beans traveling from a different

630
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:30,240
planet coming all the way across the the

631
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:33,039
universe or the galaxy most likely and

632
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:34,559
picking someone up studying them

633
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:37,280
covertly and leaving without having any

634
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:40,000
formal contact it doesn't seem

635
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,880
um

636
00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:42,720
all that likely that they would do that

637
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:44,240
without at least acknowledging their

638
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,960
presence but in the context of of

639
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,799
backward time travel and the work that

640
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:50,880
they seem to be doing uh in these

641
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:52,799
abduction cases in particular which was

642
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:55,919
the focus of this most recent book

643
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,480
um there's also consistency across time

644
00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:00,400
people describe seeing the same types of

645
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,000
crafts and these beans doing the same

646
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:04,080
types of things regardless of where it

647
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:05,279
is in the world

648
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:08,799
or i my book goes back 90 years in um in

649
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:10,720
these encounters and you would expect

650
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:13,200
that if the same technology from these

651
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,640
points in the future is coming back

652
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:16,880
through different times you would have

653
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:19,840
the exact same beans in the same craft

654
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,240
who are being observed and people are

655
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:24,240
interacting with them in these different

656
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:26,000
time periods but obviously there's

657
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,600
consistency across time because it's the

658
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,919
same individuals and it also makes sense

659
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:31,600
in the context of their perspective

660
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,320
their work day where they could go back

661
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:36,720
and and pick somebody up as a kid i talk

662
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:38,559
about this as a an example because it's

663
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,679
very common

664
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:41,600
in a number of abduction cases with

665
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:43,679
lifelong abductees is they don't appear

666
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:46,400
to age at all and we would expect that

667
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,080
if they're going back they could pick up

668
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:49,919
a kid at age five

669
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:53,200
again at age 25 again at age 60 again at

670
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:56,000
age 90 and to them you know they're

671
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:57,600
they're aging throughout their entire

672
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,679
life but these beans don't seem to age

673
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:01,440
because they could do all of that in a

674
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,520
couple days that's two days of work for

675
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:05,440
them or maybe even one day if they're

676
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:08,000
very efficient um so we see them as not

677
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,159
aging because to them it's a few hours

678
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:12,000
of work whereas for us it's an entire

679
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:14,000
lifetime and we can take that metaphor

680
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:15,679
and extend it backward through very long

681
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,919
periods of time and i think it helps

682
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,679
explain that aspect of it too and we

683
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:21,360
interpret it differently the fairies and

684
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,200
leprechauns and any of the other things

685
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,840
we ascribe to a deity status in many

686
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:27,360
cases

687
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:30,080
but it's that's probably just the same

688
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,919
beans the same humans

689
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,679
from uh points in the future that are

690
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:35,279
doing similar things in these different

691
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,919
time periods and we we recognize it and

692
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:39,760
describe it in very different ways

693
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:41,760
depending on our own level of technology

694
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:43,600
and understanding

695
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:46,720
there's some type of thing that

696
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,799
um there's like a time dilation or

697
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,120
something a lot of people will describe

698
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:53,039
with an encounter and you know the

699
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:54,480
missing time you hear about over and

700
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:57,600
over again um would that be any type of

701
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:00,720
effect of uh time travel

702
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:02,000
time travel

703
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:04,640
um craft or something and and is that

704
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,039
what they're doing in the craft is that

705
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:09,360
is that their time machine

706
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:10,960
yeah i think it is i don't think the

707
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:13,120
triangular ones are those seem to have a

708
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:15,360
different purpose that i can talk about

709
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,559
in my book uh to a pretty

710
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:20,480
high degree as far as the amount of time

711
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:22,080
dedicated to

712
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:23,919
that question of the ships themselves

713
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,000
because there is variation they're not

714
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:28,159
all silvery disc shaped craft obviously

715
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:29,679
the tic tac doesn't fall into that

716
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:32,400
either but i do think the the classic

717
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:35,200
ufo the flying saucer is the actual time

718
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:36,559
machine and that they have the ability

719
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:39,039
to manipulate space time in and around

720
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,400
that's clear from jim peniston's

721
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:41,919
encounter

722
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,520
i talk about a case linda jones who had

723
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,520
a number of abduction experiences but in

724
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,360
manchester uk

725
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:51,520
um where they describe this as they

726
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,320
approach this machine um

727
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:56,559
corporal armando valdez is another great

728
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,279
example he disappeared for 15 minutes to

729
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:01,919
his men there were six other

730
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,760
members of his platoon

731
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:05,520
and they watched him disappear 15

732
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:07,520
minutes in their frame of reference he

733
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:09,840
emerges but five days had passed to him

734
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:11,520
and that is a clear indication of a

735
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:14,080
difference in the warpage and the rate

736
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,159
of time passing in and around these

737
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,240
craft versus farther out you see it time

738
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,120
and time again in fact how put off a

739
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:24,240
reference his talk at the scu conference

740
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,640
last year maybe two years ago

741
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:28,320
where he describes the same thing and he

742
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:29,600
thinks it can even account for the

743
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:31,039
missing time because there's a blue

744
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,760
shift that happens and it speeds up time

745
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,520
so that when people emerge they have

746
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,120
missing time not necessarily because

747
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:39,200
they were inundated or unconscious for a

748
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:40,640
period of time which i do think is the

749
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:43,440
case in many abductions but because uh

750
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,399
time was blue shifted and and light is

751
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:48,480
blue shifted which is why they glow this

752
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:51,039
incredible bright white it helps explain

753
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,720
the the radiation burns that are so

754
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,720
common because you're shifting out of

755
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:56,159
the visible light spectrum into the

756
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,679
x-ray spectrum

757
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:59,600
part of the light spectrum so so i think

758
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:02,320
there's a lot of aspects of the

759
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:03,679
influence

760
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,520
on individuals in the passage of time um

761
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:10,000
the way light appears uh because they're

762
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:11,679
manipulating the space-time metric is

763
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,559
how put off describes it um but but also

764
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,480
the g-forces i think that's one that

765
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,720
also should be discussed because if they

766
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:20,799
are perceiving time differently

767
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,600
it's potentially why we can see them

768
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:26,240
drop 80 000 feet to sea level such as

769
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:27,919
the case of the tic tac

770
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:30,080
uh in a matter of like 1.2 seconds or

771
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:31,360
whatever it was i think the su

772
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:34,240
calculated that at 12 000 g's which

773
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:35,279
nobody

774
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,120
would be able to survive that that the

775
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:39,120
machine itself probably wouldn't but if

776
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,200
they are manipulating space time

777
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:43,600
in and around that craft what we see

778
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,399
is this one second eighty thousand foot

779
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:48,480
descent to them could be a very slow

780
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:50,720
descent where it's just one g it's um

781
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,760
not even something that they would

782
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:54,000
necessarily feel and that is described

783
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:55,600
in a number of case studies where people

784
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:57,760
are in these ships and travel very very

785
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,520
quickly but they feel no motion

786
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,200
whatsoever and i reference a number of

787
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:03,440
those cases as well so i think this

788
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,320
question of g forces is moot because

789
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,919
it's really just an issue of these

790
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:09,760
different frames of reference these

791
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:12,559
different temporal frames um where we

792
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,000
probably look like really slow moving

793
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:18,480
uh giant sloths or something

794
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:20,320
whereas you know in their frame of

795
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,760
reference they're the fly that's zipping

796
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:23,919
around the room i think it's just uh an

797
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,559
aspect of of the way time flows in and

798
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,240
around these machines

799
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:30,720
well um travis walton is another case

800
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:32,960
where he thought he was gone for

801
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:35,039
you know a few hours and ended up being

802
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:36,640
i think it was four or five days ago

803
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:38,000
just five days and i think he was

804
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,679
unconscious for a lot of that because

805
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:41,360
there was an electrostatic discharge

806
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:42,880
that knocked him out and i think that

807
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,600
was kind of a medical intervention he he

808
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:48,000
thinks that same thing as well yeah so

809
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:49,360
in that case i think it was five days

810
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:50,559
and i talk about that compare and

811
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:52,000
contrast and that's the whole reason i

812
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:53,440
wrote this book is because patterns

813
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,600
emerge after a while and if you look at

814
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:57,520
all these different case studies and i

815
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,600
could only include 15 in this particular

816
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:01,200
book but i was

817
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:02,640
putting in others i'd say in total

818
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:05,279
there's probably double that as far as

819
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:07,760
other cases that i sort of weave in even

820
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:09,760
though i didn't explore them with the

821
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:10,720
same

822
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:13,279
uh amount of text per se

823
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,960
um but yeah you compare that to the

824
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:16,640
linda jones you compare that to armando

825
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:19,840
valdez jim peniston's encounter they all

826
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:22,640
start to signal the same thing but it

827
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,880
manifests in different ways and and

828
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,480
travis walton is one that i think he was

829
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:28,080
actually physically gone in five days

830
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,760
ship time five days

831
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,679
out of ship time whereas some of the

832
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,840
other ones it's a short encounter viewed

833
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:35,440
outside of that frame of reference but

834
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:38,159
inside there's a different story

835
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,919
now what you were just talking about

836
00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:41,600
before the possibility of how these

837
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:42,799
things

838
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,480
move and can go 80 000 feet and it seems

839
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:48,480
uh and no g-force

840
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:50,080
killing whatever whatever's occupying it

841
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:51,679
um smooshing it

842
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:54,960
is it does that also account for

843
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:57,279
what we never hear is a breaking of a

844
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,559
sound barrier when these things are

845
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:00,960
going extremely fast and how about the

846
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:03,360
transmedia as well going between water

847
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:04,480
and

848
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,320
that all accounts it seems sounds like

849
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:10,159
it does account for yeah i think it does

850
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:11,840
um and i

851
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,640
say that exact thing uh in in the extra

852
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:16,480
tempestrial model that there's there's a

853
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:18,240
lot of those behavioral characteristics

854
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,440
of these ships

855
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:21,440
that seem to defy the laws of physics

856
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:23,760
and the way we understand it but once we

857
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:26,880
do figure out what time is how time

858
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,360
works most physicists agree we'll need a

859
00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:31,360
theory of quantum gravity combining

860
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:36,149
[Music]

861
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:37,600
quantum mechanics with general

862
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:39,519
relativity so i had a quick brain fart

863
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:40,320
there

864
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,720
um this this unified theory of the two

865
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:44,880
once that happens we'll start to

866
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:46,799
understand and be able to manipulate

867
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:48,799
time and most likely travel backward in

868
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:49,600
time

869
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:51,760
um but yeah not even just the the

870
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:54,880
g-forces the trans-medium capabilities

871
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:57,840
the um but i also think the light beam

872
00:32:01,990 --> 00:31:59,840
that they often use to abduct people and

873
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:02,000
they can move them through solid matter

874
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:04,000
which freaks people out and i think i

875
00:32:07,509 --> 00:32:05,440
would be freaked out by that too if i

876
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,519
just went through a wall um i think that

877
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:09,120
probably has something to do with it too

878
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:12,240
it's a manipulation of of the space time

879
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,559
in and around that beam that's used to

880
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,080
levitate people and take them through

881
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:18,320
solid matter

882
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:20,799
interesting time linear circular what do

883
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:22,480
you think time is

884
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:25,440
time is a block is our best explanation

885
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:26,320
of it

886
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:29,200
um so not really linear or circular it's

887
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,080
just a a massive block of all moments

888
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:34,320
that have and will ever exist and and

889
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:36,159
when that's the most conventional

890
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:38,000
explanation for

891
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:40,000
um space time because we can't separate

892
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:41,519
time from space they're intricately

893
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,799
linked of course

894
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,880
um and that is that's the dominant model

895
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,799
among physicists and i think

896
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:48,480
it's accurate to the best of my

897
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,279
knowledge and and what i've read um and

898
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:53,200
it does make sense in the context of how

899
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,360
we would travel to the past and and what

900
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,960
would happen and specifically what

901
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,399
wouldn't happen we wouldn't have to

902
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,159
worry about paradoxes and the way

903
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:02,240
they're oftentimes presented in horrible

904
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,399
movies like back to the future which you

905
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:06,240
just mentioned and it is a great movie i

906
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,000
love that movie but they do a horrible

907
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,320
job with time travel because he starts

908
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,159
disappearing from this polaroid because

909
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:14,399
his parents are you don't like deloreans

910
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:15,760
either probably

911
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,320
i do like i do like deloreans actually i

912
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:20,480
saw one when i was in california last

913
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:23,519
week and i kind of wanted it um but no i

914
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:25,760
think within the context of block time

915
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:27,760
you you can understand how these these

916
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,320
paradoxes consistency paradoxes uh the

917
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:33,039
bootstrap paradox they they don't they

918
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,720
aren't actually paradoxical it's really

919
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,240
only when you have change and you can

920
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,399
change the past that you start to run

921
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:39,840
into these problems and that doesn't

922
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:42,399
exist in the block universe model there

923
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:43,840
is no change

924
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,000
and one thing actually in reference to

925
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,399
what you said earlier whether i

926
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,559
built on the previous book or added new

927
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,640
things one thing i didn't talk about at

928
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:54,960
all in the first book was the multiverse

929
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:55,919
model

930
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:58,799
um different timelines and and

931
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:01,360
i didn't think i needed to because

932
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,679
the block universe model is so widely

933
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,279
understood

934
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,679
um among philosophers physicists and

935
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:10,159
others but it it's still important to

936
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,359
discuss uh so i do bring that up more in

937
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,440
the second book and talk about things

938
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,440
like all these warnings that people have

939
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:19,760
or like the interventions at malmstrom

940
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:21,839
air force base mino air force base where

941
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:24,960
they shut down these nuclear uh warheads

942
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,079
and in the context of what abductees uh

943
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:30,240
see in these visions or uh the

944
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,000
telepathic communications or sometimes

945
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:34,399
they're shown videos on a video screen

946
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:37,359
of all of these war like scenarios so

947
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:38,639
that needs to be discussed in the

948
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,760
context of can it be avoided or are they

949
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:43,200
trying to prevent something from

950
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:45,359
happening because they see a potential

951
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:46,480
problem

952
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:48,079
um and that's that's really where the

953
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,159
the multiverse model mini world's

954
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,800
interpretation of quantum mechanics gets

955
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:54,240
brought into the conversation because

956
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:55,679
it's a very different

957
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:58,400
situation in the block universe versus

958
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,320
the many worlds interpretation so i

959
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:02,160
really kind of teased those apart and

960
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:03,839
talk about them in that context more in

961
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:05,599
this most recent book

962
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,079
in the block a theory of time block

963
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:10,720
universe or whatever you you mentioned

964
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:11,520
um

965
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:14,480
how does the grandfather paradox fit

966
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,160
into that it does not fit it sounds like

967
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,720
it does not apply to

968
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:21,119
can you try to explain why that doesn't

969
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:23,200
work you can't go back and if you went

970
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:24,400
back and killed your grandfather you

971
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:26,079
wouldn't exist type of thing

972
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:28,000
yeah you just you can't if you didn't go

973
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:30,160
back and kill your grandfather you you

974
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:33,040
won't it will never happen because those

975
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:35,599
the moments are already structured

976
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,960
and and it's easy to think about uh

977
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,640
is looking backward you know you can

978
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:42,480
look back and see well there's all these

979
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:44,480
possibilities in the future

980
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:48,079
but um eventually as the present moved

981
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,320
through those there just became one real

982
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:52,240
outcome but that's not how it works in

983
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:54,320
block time that's just our brains

984
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:57,280
uh imposing this linearity to something

985
00:36:02,470 --> 00:35:59,839
that exists as a much greater whole so

986
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:02,480
if if you didn't kill your grandfather

987
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,640
there's really no way you could because

988
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:06,240
that that moment in the past is

989
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,000
structured in the way that eventually

990
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,920
led your parents and led to you

991
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,680
or at least one of your parents

992
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,040
um because you

993
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,440
you can't disrupt the past you can't

994
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,000
change the past anything that you do

995
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:20,560
in the past you already did and any

996
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,880
ramification any effect has already

997
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,880
manifested itself before you go back to

998
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,480
do it in the first place it doesn't

999
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:28,800
change anything there's no change and

1000
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:31,119
like i said earlier these paradoxes are

1001
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,119
really only paradoxical in the context

1002
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:35,599
of change so the we do run into these

1003
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:37,359
in the multiverse they do become

1004
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:38,640
problematic if there's different

1005
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:40,720
timelines knowing which timeline to

1006
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,520
travel to what's happening in each one

1007
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:45,440
there's a lot of other issues whether

1008
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,800
they even exist there's still no

1009
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:48,960
evidence that there are other

1010
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:50,960
uh dimensions or other worlds so to

1011
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,200
speak um so it's just

1012
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,920
you know the whole thing i try to do is

1013
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,520
shave with occam's razor i haven't made

1014
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,880
that joke in three years so i'm gonna

1015
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:00,240
throw it out again

1016
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:02,000
just try to have the simplest

1017
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:04,240
explanation with the fewest assumptions

1018
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,920
and in this most recent book i use an

1019
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:07,440
abductive approach which is just a

1020
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,040
coincidence that that happens to be the

1021
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:11,760
same word as abduction or at least very

1022
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:12,800
similar

1023
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:14,720
where it's um just inference to the best

1024
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:17,440
explanation you you can't use inductive

1025
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:19,839
or deductive reasoning you can't have

1026
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,320
ultimately a conclusion but you look at

1027
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:24,240
all of the available evidence

1028
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,920
and we can't necessarily apply the same

1029
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:27,680
standards of evidence that have been

1030
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:30,960
developed in the rigors of science

1031
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:32,640
because the ufo phenomenon is different

1032
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:35,280
we have to recognize that but in

1033
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,599
considering all of these different

1034
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,359
um

1035
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:41,359
the information that's available to us

1036
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:42,640
at this time

1037
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:44,720
we can take that and

1038
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:45,760
develop

1039
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:48,480
an idea about what fits best with that

1040
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:50,079
information and that's what i'm trying

1041
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:53,200
to do in this this book is just um

1042
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,160
look at all these different

1043
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,160
interpretations and figure out which one

1044
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:58,480
has the fewest assumptions and it's the

1045
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:00,800
most parsimonious explanation

1046
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,280
when you get a case like the and

1047
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,520
i'll get to your questions uh on in the

1048
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:07,839
chat thank you for posting them up when

1049
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,000
you get to cases like the ariel school

1050
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:12,720
incident they pretty much described you

1051
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:15,440
know sort of like a white porcelain type

1052
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,240
skin the black eye is similar to what

1053
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,800
you picture the grace people are talking

1054
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:22,560
about the greys have but there were some

1055
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:25,200
definite characteristic differences and

1056
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:26,880
when i think about time travel and i

1057
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:29,839
think about the grays of the majority um

1058
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,880
could there possibly be i mean travelers

1059
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:34,560
from a future

1060
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,079
way beyond

1061
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:38,160
uh the graves that are coming back to

1062
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:39,599
say that the

1063
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:42,079
the earth the sun doesn't swell up too

1064
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,079
big and you know burn the earth's

1065
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,240
surface at this point you know how what

1066
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,320
is it i don't know how many billion

1067
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:50,480
years we have or millions of years we

1068
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:53,119
have left here but in way in the future

1069
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,560
could the different types of

1070
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,880
descriptions of the beings people are

1071
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:58,400
claiming they're seeing

1072
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:01,200
be from different times yeah absolutely

1073
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,640
and i think that's

1074
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:04,160
that can explain a good amount of the

1075
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:05,599
variation

1076
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,320
uh and i tackle this in both of my books

1077
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:10,400
um because i think it is important to

1078
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:13,200
acknowledge that they're not all human

1079
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:14,880
again based on the doctor at garmental

1080
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,400
free study the majority were human not

1081
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,320
not just human looking or humanoid or

1082
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:22,400
human like but human described exactly

1083
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:24,640
how we would describe each other in this

1084
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:26,960
current time after that the next most

1085
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,480
common is the short grays and then the

1086
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:30,240
tall grays and it was only about five

1087
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:33,280
percent that were uh more

1088
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,560
strange beans dog man mantid insects

1089
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:38,400
like reptilians whatever

1090
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,400
so that indicates a couple of things and

1091
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:42,880
i i've been using this metaphor recently

1092
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:44,000
i think i

1093
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:46,880
mentioned it once in a different show

1094
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:47,839
um

1095
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,359
but i think it's it's an important way

1096
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,520
of thinking about it because i refer to

1097
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,880
this as temporal variation we have

1098
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:54,720
geographic variation that exists now

1099
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,000
it's why people look different from one

1100
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:58,800
another in sub-saharan africa australia

1101
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,040
native americans and so forth because

1102
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:03,119
we've evolved to different conditions in

1103
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,640
these different places and those

1104
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,400
geographic racial variations may

1105
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:08,560
continue into the future as well

1106
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:11,359
but if we start coming back in time

1107
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:12,880
we're going to be coming

1108
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,720
from different points most likely in the

1109
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:16,160
same way we didn't give up fire we

1110
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,319
didn't give up tools once we invented

1111
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:20,079
those we're likely not going to give up

1112
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:21,920
time travel either once we figure out

1113
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:23,839
how to do it we would expect that our

1114
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:25,760
descendants into the deep future would

1115
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:27,920
also be doing the same thing and coming

1116
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,839
back to different times and i think that

1117
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:31,680
can help explain this temporal variation

1118
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,960
as well because

1119
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:34,960
in in the metaphor i use is if you think

1120
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:37,920
about geographic space as an example for

1121
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:41,200
how we would expect to see more human

1122
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:43,119
individuals than we would these very

1123
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:46,240
distant human individuals with the and i

1124
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:47,839
think that's what the tall grays are i

1125
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,400
think they are a very distant point in

1126
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,160
the human future they also seem from

1127
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:54,240
these case studies if we can take these

1128
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:56,000
abductions seriously and i think we

1129
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:57,760
should especially when there's so many

1130
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,440
describing the same thing we can see

1131
00:41:03,750 --> 00:41:01,440
patterns in them they seem to be running

1132
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,760
the show they seem to have this really

1133
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,040
just deep

1134
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,599
intellect this super high consciousness

1135
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:09,200
and they're they're

1136
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,040
not necessarily controlling but

1137
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,520
influencing what's happening um in these

1138
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,520
abduction cases when there are multiple

1139
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:17,760
different forms present and that is very

1140
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:20,640
common to see so the metaphor is

1141
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:22,720
that when you leave your house it's more

1142
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,920
likely that you're going to see people

1143
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:25,680
that live in close proximity to you

1144
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:27,040
you're going to see your neighbors first

1145
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,839
then you're going to see people that

1146
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:29,760
live in your town it's less likely that

1147
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:32,160
you'll run into someone from zimbabwe or

1148
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,760
australia if you live in the united

1149
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:35,119
states simply because they're further

1150
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,839
away in space and i think that metaphor

1151
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:39,440
translates to this this temporal

1152
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,720
variation

1153
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:42,800
characteristic as well where we'd expect

1154
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:45,280
to see people in closer proximity to us

1155
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,839
in time as we get farther out in time we

1156
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:49,599
become a small blip

1157
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:52,079
on their massive you know possibly

1158
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:53,760
million year i think a lot of this

1159
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,599
happens sooner than what a lot of people

1160
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,440
think but if you're looking back over

1161
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:59,760
five years you're more likely to find

1162
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:01,040
people within that five years looking

1163
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:03,040
back over a million years now we're just

1164
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,640
one small part of that and we see the

1165
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,400
same thing in archaeology where we find

1166
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:08,160
things that are more recent and much

1167
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:09,440
higher numbers

1168
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,359
whereas things that are much older we

1169
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:14,160
find uh less often just because of all

1170
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:15,760
the things that can happen

1171
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,119
in the time between when that was

1172
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:18,880
deposited and when we happened to

1173
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,839
discover it in a much deeper layer of

1174
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:23,119
sediment so

1175
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,640
i think i think yeah the temporal

1176
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,880
variation aspect of this is important to

1177
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:28,400
consider and i think

1178
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:31,040
if you do consider it it really starts

1179
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:33,359
to indicate that time travel is a part

1180
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:34,960
of the equation

1181
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:37,040
well if

1182
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:38,880
there's kind of a paradox here that i

1183
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:39,680
see

1184
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,359
and that is if

1185
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:43,680
you can't go back and say you kill your

1186
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,480
grandfather you can't change the past

1187
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,160
the past is already

1188
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:50,560
laid out so how can these

1189
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,119
have an influence you say they

1190
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:55,440
they seem to have an influence to me

1191
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:57,280
that would be changing

1192
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,400
the past

1193
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:00,480
somehow

1194
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,760
only if um no

1195
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,000
i don't i i see what you're saying but

1196
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,400
if if they always been doing these

1197
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:10,480
things and i and i think that that sort

1198
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:11,520
of uh

1199
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,160
star trek and prime directive aspect is

1200
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:16,480
is a part of this too they don't seem to

1201
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,319
be really trying to influence us too

1202
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,000
much some people will claim that they're

1203
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:21,920
manipulating our dna their planning

1204
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,200
technology

1205
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:25,359
i i don't touch that maybe i don't know

1206
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:27,520
i haven't seen a lot of indications of

1207
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,240
that but it is a possibility

1208
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,640
but if if they had done those things

1209
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,560
they will have always done those things

1210
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:36,160
and it doesn't mean that they're making

1211
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,160
anything different it's just an aspect

1212
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:40,560
of what they had always done a good way

1213
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:41,839
of thinking of it

1214
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,400
is if um you're visited say as a 10 year

1215
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,720
old by your 50 year old self

1216
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,880
you know for certainty that when you're

1217
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,880
50 you will go back and meet your 10

1218
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:52,880
year old self because those moments are

1219
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:54,160
structured that way there's already a

1220
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,119
bridge

1221
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:57,040
that that spans across and connects

1222
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:58,960
those places in space time

1223
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,440
um and and if anyone's confused by that

1224
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,280
you know the first book i lay it out in

1225
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:05,520
two different chapters the last chapter

1226
00:44:09,510 --> 00:44:07,200
in my new book i cite a number of

1227
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:09,520
philosophers and physicists who really

1228
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,240
help solidify this concept and and and i

1229
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:14,560
think it's important you know to to talk

1230
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:17,200
about because the the physical reality

1231
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:18,240
of this

1232
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,319
involves the physical manipulation of

1233
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:22,480
space time and actually taking ships and

1234
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,280
individuals through time um so it

1235
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:27,119
shouldn't be discounted but a lot of

1236
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,480
people do struggle with the block

1237
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,480
universe model even though

1238
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:32,160
in my opinion that's the most intuitive

1239
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:33,520
and it does make a lot of sense and it

1240
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:34,720
does feel

1241
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:37,280
right within this this physical reality

1242
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:42,630
okay i'm going to pop up a couple of

1243
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,440
questions here and this one uh dr

1244
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,359
richard wants to know why will humans

1245
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,440
evolve to have such big eyes

1246
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,160
i love that question um mostly because

1247
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,960
that's what i study is eyes uh really

1248
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:56,960
yeah my very first project in grad

1249
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,640
school was to look at

1250
00:45:03,030 --> 00:45:00,880
what happens to the eye

1251
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:03,040
um in the context of our like i

1252
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,640
mentioned in the beginning of the show

1253
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:06,640
we're the only mammal that's had our

1254
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,040
frontal neuro cortex grow out over top

1255
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,119
of our eyes and as the mid and lower

1256
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:13,760
facial anatomy is shrinking backwards uh

1257
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,480
becoming both reduced and retracted

1258
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:18,319
what happens to the eyes in a functional

1259
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,599
sense so i developed this theory i

1260
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:21,839
published a paper in 2012

1261
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:24,560
in the journal medical hypotheses where

1262
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,680
i um i lay out an argument based on

1263
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,520
current research about

1264
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,440
um how

1265
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:33,520
these two competing cranial facial

1266
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,119
characteristics with the eye stuck in

1267
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,359
the middle may help explain the high

1268
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:39,119
frequency and the increasing frequency

1269
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,319
of juvenile onset myopia and

1270
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,640
also astigmatism which is a malformation

1271
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:46,960
of the eye and what you see is that the

1272
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:49,280
eye projects out of the orbit more and

1273
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:50,800
it's squished which is what you would

1274
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,200
expect if there is a superior

1275
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,760
inferior uh pressure being applied to it

1276
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:57,359
there's just not enough space for not

1277
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:58,960
just the eye but there's a lot of ocular

1278
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,680
fat this is the rectus muscles

1279
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:03,520
and all these other characteristics of

1280
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:06,480
the soft tissue of the eye and the skull

1281
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,760
is obviously hard the eye is soft so it

1282
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:11,200
may

1283
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,960
be malformed throughout growth and

1284
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:15,119
development and another evidence of this

1285
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:17,359
is the fact that people in east asia

1286
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:19,359
have upwards of 80 percent rate of

1287
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:20,560
myopia

1288
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:22,400
whereas other populations that have a

1289
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:24,880
different craniofacial form that's not

1290
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,040
so um

1291
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,440
uh rounded skull smaller face retracted

1292
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,680
face have much lower rates of myopia so

1293
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,599
even just in a modern human context you

1294
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:34,880
you see that

1295
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:36,960
i am going somewhere with this i promise

1296
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:37,760
um

1297
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,640
so

1298
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:41,040
one of the things i argue in this paper

1299
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,880
is that it's also an aspect of

1300
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:44,319
pleiotropy

1301
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:45,280
which

1302
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:47,839
creates an extra set of problems because

1303
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:50,480
the eye grows out of the brain during

1304
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:53,760
early fetal ontogeny so it is the brain

1305
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:54,960
essentially

1306
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:56,960
um so what pleiotropy is it's when you

1307
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:59,440
have the same gene or sets of genes

1308
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,359
controlling the development of what are

1309
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,359
two arguably different characteristics

1310
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,960
and in this case we we separate the

1311
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:07,200
brain from the eye but the way they

1312
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:09,440
develop the way they grow they are most

1313
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:11,359
likely under

1314
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,280
the same pleiotropic gene control

1315
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,520
mechanism so as our brains get bigger

1316
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:17,760
our eyes would be expected to get bigger

1317
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,440
as well so i think the the larger eyes

1318
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:23,520
is just a pleotropic

1319
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:27,359
down downstream result of increased

1320
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:30,400
encephalization increased brain size

1321
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:31,920
you know one of the things i i think

1322
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:33,760
about is

1323
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:35,920
if we were to keep developing in our

1324
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:38,319
intelligence wouldn't we be off planet

1325
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:40,880
somewhere as well not just here

1326
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:43,520
and as things stand

1327
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:44,960
you know we

1328
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:47,280
really need about two planets worth of

1329
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:49,119
resources to

1330
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:50,960
keep everyone going in the world and if

1331
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:52,559
everyone lived like americans we would

1332
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,440
need five planets worth of resources so

1333
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:57,359
what happens we're gonna we're gonna

1334
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:59,280
breach uh 8 billion people on this

1335
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:01,359
planet fairly soon

1336
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:03,040
so i mean i'm just wondering when in

1337
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:05,839
society we'll get a hold of of this type

1338
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:08,160
of growth compared to the resources we

1339
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:10,720
have and how we can get into the future

1340
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:11,839
without

1341
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,200
uh you know having a terrible famine and

1342
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:17,599
and all that which is yeah

1343
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:20,800
if there's one overarching theme in this

1344
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:22,480
most recent book

1345
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,440
it is reproduction and fertility

1346
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:27,440
because it it's

1347
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,640
the most

1348
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:30,400
ubiquitous characteristics of these

1349
00:48:36,069 --> 00:48:33,359
abductions is the gamete extractions

1350
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:36,079
sperm in men eggs and women gestating

1351
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:38,079
fetuses and when there's a very clear

1352
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:40,240
focus on reproduction

1353
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:41,200
right um

1354
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:43,040
and i offer some potential explanations

1355
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:45,440
for that in my first book i talked about

1356
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:47,680
um just homozygous recessive

1357
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:50,800
characteristics this sort of um

1358
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:52,800
increase in these negative gene traits

1359
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,800
that result from incest because we used

1360
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,559
to have all these different populations

1361
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,000
and there's gene flow among them they

1362
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:00,319
were introducing new genes to each other

1363
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,119
now you can fly 30 hours and make a baby

1364
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:05,599
with someone across the world we're

1365
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:08,319
interconnected we've become one isolated

1366
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:11,040
population one isolated gene pool and

1367
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:12,559
there could be some potential problems

1368
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:14,240
that come with that

1369
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:16,880
um there's also the fact that we've seen

1370
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,520
i think it's a 60 reduction in sperm

1371
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:21,839
counts in men in the western world over

1372
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,480
the last 40 years people are choosing

1373
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:26,559
not to have children we see

1374
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:29,680
uh an increase in in vitro fertilization

1375
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:32,400
and and just issues with fertility in

1376
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:33,440
general

1377
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:34,640
and and this is something you would

1378
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,440
expect in a highly domesticated species

1379
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:39,599
like us we we domesticated ourselves

1380
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:40,960
beginning

1381
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,040
there's a debate about that possibly as

1382
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:45,839
early as 20 30 000 years ago definitely

1383
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,079
with agriculture beginning about 12 000

1384
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:50,400
years ago with the neolithic revolution

1385
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:53,119
so as we self-domesticate and as we

1386
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:54,640
domesticate other animals one of the

1387
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:56,319
main things we do with them is

1388
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,440
manipulate their fertility we we select

1389
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:01,920
certain traits we'll we'll

1390
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:03,920
on i grew up on a horse farm and we

1391
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,359
would ship in

1392
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:07,839
uh sperm and egg from these belgian

1393
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,240
horses in belgium all the way across the

1394
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:11,920
ocean so we're we're already doing this

1395
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:13,599
with other animals i think at some point

1396
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:15,520
we might have to do it to ourselves

1397
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:18,880
simply because our population struggles

1398
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:21,280
with making enough people so wait to

1399
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:23,119
address your question i don't know if we

1400
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:24,720
really have to worry about that it's

1401
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:26,079
been something people been talking about

1402
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,520
for hundreds of years it was thomas

1403
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,760
malthus's whole argument

1404
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,680
in the 1800s that

1405
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,280
the food supply can't keep up with the

1406
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:35,119
population there'll be wars and famine

1407
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,640
and uh darwin and wallace used that as a

1408
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,640
an aspect of their theory of natural

1409
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:43,040
selection but it hasn't happened yet and

1410
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:44,720
and most um

1411
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:47,440
most geographers think that we we are

1412
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:48,640
going to

1413
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:51,119
peak at around 8 or 10 billion and then

1414
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:52,480
it'll actually decline and it's the

1415
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,800
population decline that they see as

1416
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,640
being more problematic elon musk even

1417
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,160
said this recently and i wrote a lot

1418
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,160
about this in my most recent book that

1419
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:02,480
the population decline may have more of

1420
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:05,200
an impact on our society and politics

1421
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:06,000
than

1422
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,680
the population expanse that a lot of

1423
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:09,839
people think uh characterizes the human

1424
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:12,480
future i know i realize that our

1425
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:15,599
financially we're geared to go to an

1426
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:18,079
ever-growing population to cover for our

1427
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:19,040
seniors

1428
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,800
yeah yeah that's a big part of it it's a

1429
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,720
ponzi scheme social security is a ponzi

1430
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,559
scheme and basically

1431
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,640
basically you know we're we have about

1432
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:28,160
like three minutes left and i'm

1433
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:29,280
wondering if i could go a little bit

1434
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:31,520
longer possible i know i wondered if i

1435
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:33,200
could go a little bit longer with you

1436
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:34,720
because i have a lot of people in chat

1437
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:36,400
that have left questions and i'm

1438
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:38,640
wondering if i can get those answered as

1439
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:40,640
we go along yeah like i told you it was

1440
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:43,520
taco tuesday so i know it is i got it 15

1441
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:45,200
more minutes okay taco's on the mind

1442
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,480
martin

1443
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:48,240
but you can hit 15 more minutes you can

1444
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,559
make it right i'm putting you right on

1445
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:52,800
the spot here

1446
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:55,920
but um so just to let the listener know

1447
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:58,800
i'm going to drop out of kgr a radio

1448
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:01,440
in just a minute here and uh

1449
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:02,960
next week we have

1450
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:04,400
stephanie elizabeth

1451
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:07,119
who does a lot of work on ufo she's

1452
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:09,920
going to be joining us next week so um

1453
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:12,079
hang in there

1454
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:14,400
people on youtube and facebook twitch

1455
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:15,760
we're going to be right back right after

1456
00:52:20,380 --> 00:52:18,400
these messages and on kg kgra radio

1457
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:20,390
we'll see you next week

1458
00:52:37,650 --> 00:52:51,430
[Music]

1459
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:53,270
all right thank you michael for hanging

1460
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:54,800
in again we'll go about another 15

1461
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:56,000
minutes or so

1462
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,680
or or less if i can get through these

1463
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:59,040
questions

1464
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:00,720
because i do appreciate the people that

1465
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:03,920
are showing up here and uh adjusting to

1466
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:06,160
the new time that i have here so here's

1467
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:09,200
a question here um could black matter

1468
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:12,559
dark uh and uh black dark energy be

1469
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:15,440
other dimensions

1470
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,079
i mean um and and do you yeah you

1471
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:20,160
mentioned dimensions right i mean you

1472
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:22,240
that is part of what you're doing

1473
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,680
in your new book

1474
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:25,680
um now this is another question talk

1475
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,200
about the interdimensional theory

1476
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,119
definitely um

1477
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:31,359
yeah and i'll try to get both of these

1478
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:32,960
at the same time

1479
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,520
yeah they're kind of similar yeah um

1480
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:37,200
we don't know what dark matter is

1481
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:38,720
there's a lot of really smart people

1482
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:40,960
working on that and until we do i don't

1483
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:43,040
think we can write off things like that

1484
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:44,640
i think we should definitely keep

1485
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:46,400
everything on the table

1486
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,839
um

1487
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:49,760
the

1488
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:52,000
my own personal view on this is that

1489
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:53,599
black holes

1490
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:57,280
take the the matter from this universe

1491
00:54:02,069 --> 00:53:59,920
this time and funnel it back to the

1492
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:02,079
singularity that started the big bang at

1493
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:04,160
the beginning of the universe i think

1494
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,160
and this might be an example of cyclic

1495
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:08,160
time which you mentioned earlier

1496
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:10,319
where everything is self-contained in

1497
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:13,200
the block universe and the the

1498
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:14,960
black holes are essentially a recycling

1499
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,640
bin that takes matter back to the

1500
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:18,960
original um singularity that created

1501
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:22,079
that same universe in perpetuity wow um

1502
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:24,800
but but dark energy dark matter it's so

1503
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:27,280
prolific it it may be involved in this

1504
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:29,359
it may you know maybe inside black holes

1505
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:30,720
are different dimensions and that's why

1506
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:32,000
we haven't discovered them yet and

1507
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:34,319
possibly can't because you can't escape

1508
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:37,200
a singularity um so it's impossible to

1509
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,040
study anything we can't even send light

1510
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:41,280
back if we could code things in photons

1511
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,880
so there there are definitely

1512
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:44,400
limitations there

1513
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:48,079
um at actually it was the the 2019

1514
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:49,839
international ufo congress mark

1515
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,640
d'antonio gave a talk about this very

1516
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:54,720
question where he

1517
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:57,040
had a a moment where he thought he saw

1518
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:58,000
into

1519
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:00,799
another universe or another reality that

1520
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:03,359
was somehow connected to or tangential

1521
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:04,079
to

1522
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:05,680
this one and and the whole term

1523
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:07,839
paranormal that means running

1524
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:10,240
in parallel to the normal there's this

1525
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,200
other

1526
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:13,440
thing that exists just outside of our

1527
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:14,400
reach

1528
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:15,200
you know

1529
00:55:19,829 --> 00:55:16,480
a lot of people have near-death

1530
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,839
experiences psychedelic experiences that

1531
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:21,599
would seem to put them in a different

1532
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:23,359
plane of existence

1533
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:26,319
is that a different universe is it

1534
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:28,559
you know is it a part of our reality

1535
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,400
just a different way of conceptualizing

1536
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,160
it i i don't know i'll have to do more

1537
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,119
drugs and figure that out

1538
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:37,920
the mushrooms uh let's see

1539
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:40,319
uh let's see here's another question

1540
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:43,520
here isn't space travel which we know is

1541
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:45,280
possible

1542
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:46,650
uh more apparent

1543
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:49,280
[Music]

1544
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:52,000
yeah parsimonious explanation

1545
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:54,160
than time travel yeah and i got asked

1546
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:57,200
this by a fantastic journalist uh named

1547
00:56:02,950 --> 00:55:59,920
leonard david he writes for space.com

1548
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:02,960
puts out a lot of good content um and i

1549
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:04,319
actually argued

1550
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:06,880
the opposite that we know we're here we

1551
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:09,359
know we live here and we know we've had

1552
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:11,119
a long evolutionary history on this

1553
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:13,119
planet that is likely to continue into

1554
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:14,240
the future

1555
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:17,680
so just keeping with humans itself is

1556
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:19,920
the more parsimonious explanation once

1557
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:22,160
we interject the possibility of other

1558
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,880
beings on other planets it's now taking

1559
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:26,880
us away from what we know

1560
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:29,200
as real and right now

1561
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:30,960
um there's also the issue of time

1562
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:33,520
dilation and obviously ufos can move

1563
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,920
very fast i there's no doubt in my mind

1564
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,599
that an advanced

1565
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:39,839
species could be able to traverse the

1566
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:41,359
stars and

1567
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:42,160
uh

1568
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:43,599
if they were able to discover

1569
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:45,839
intelligent life we've only been sending

1570
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:48,000
out radio signals for something like 40

1571
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:50,559
years i think since the 1970s so it's

1572
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,119
only 40 light years out from us that we

1573
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:55,200
would even be discoverable

1574
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:56,480
however

1575
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:57,920
there's no doubt in my mind that we

1576
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:00,640
could traverse massive distances but the

1577
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:02,960
time dilation aspect of that is what

1578
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:04,960
gets me and the the faster you move

1579
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,720
relative to the speed of light the

1580
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:09,119
slower time goes for you in that craft

1581
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:12,000
relative to everyone back home so if you

1582
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:13,359
even go on a

1583
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:14,960
let's say a three year voyage through

1584
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:16,880
space at eighty percent the speed of

1585
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:19,040
light you come home and now everybody

1586
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:21,520
that you knew is much older and and many

1587
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:22,880
of them are probably dead and your

1588
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:24,720
society is probably different it may not

1589
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:28,000
exist at all so i think

1590
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:29,440
one thing i've been arguing lately is

1591
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:31,040
that i think we might need to develop

1592
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:33,280
backward time travel technology

1593
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:35,680
simply to

1594
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:39,200
be interstellar space-faring humans

1595
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:41,040
because nobody would do that nobody

1596
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,119
would sign on to do that if we develop

1597
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:45,280
the technology to travel that fast but

1598
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:47,599
you have to come back and your kids are

1599
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:49,040
now in high school when they were just

1600
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:50,480
babies before

1601
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:51,599
you're not going to get anybody signed

1602
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,920
up to that project so i i almost think

1603
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:55,680
that interstellar travel is going to

1604
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:56,799
require

1605
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:59,200
uh backward time travel technology and

1606
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:00,720
maybe the private sector will be

1607
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:02,640
involved too with time tourism i don't

1608
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:05,920
know but um yeah i i do really think

1609
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:08,960
that the future human hypothesis

1610
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,400
innately is

1611
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:12,960
uh more more parsimonious

1612
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:15,359
you mentioned mark d'antonio he just did

1613
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:17,200
a talk in

1614
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:18,880
pine bush

1615
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:22,720
where i was at there as well and about a

1616
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:26,400
way to travel to jump in and out of

1617
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:29,040
what did he say uh it all had to do with

1618
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:30,079
the

1619
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:31,920
multiverse type

1620
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:34,079
thing that was very fascinating maybe

1621
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:36,240
you and him can catch up he might be out

1622
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:37,599
at phoenix i'm not sure if he's going to

1623
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:39,119
be out there yeah i had a lot of

1624
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:40,960
questions for him it was a busy weekend

1625
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:42,799
so i didn't get a chance to chat but it

1626
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:45,280
was a really fascinating talk

1627
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,480
here's another question here um how many

1628
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:50,640
well this is for an opinion how many

1629
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:54,000
dimensions do you think may exist

1630
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:55,760
you know i mean

1631
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:58,480
nobody really knows i

1632
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:00,079
at this point

1633
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,799
and and obviously whatever these ufos

1634
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:04,400
are

1635
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,160
they operate with

1636
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:08,880
either a different type of physics or

1637
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:10,319
different understanding of the same

1638
00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:13,200
physics that we don't yet have

1639
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:15,040
um so it is possible you know maybe

1640
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,640
there's an extra dimension of time that

1641
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:19,200
they use maybe consciousness exists in a

1642
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:21,520
fifth dimension and it's it's

1643
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,599
fundamental in some way to what this

1644
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:25,200
phenomenon is

1645
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:28,000
um but all i can say is what the current

1646
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,680
literature says and that is that

1647
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:31,920
currently we have no evidence for

1648
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:34,400
anything outside of our three dimensions

1649
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,319
of space and one dimension of time which

1650
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,640
in mankowski spacetime are the same

1651
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,559
thing so

1652
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:42,240
i i guess i have to go with that that's

1653
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:44,559
how many i think there are and until

1654
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:47,440
there's good evidence um for some higher

1655
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:49,920
dimensions i i don't know and you know i

1656
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:51,440
love flatland edwin abbott's book

1657
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:53,119
flatland really

1658
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:55,440
opens the mind to what things might look

1659
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:57,760
like with higher dimensions just based

1660
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:00,720
on our own conceptualization of two and

1661
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:04,240
three within his uh satirical political

1662
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:05,119
book

1663
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:06,559
but um

1664
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:08,400
i don't know there are some aspects of

1665
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:10,640
these craft that do indicate that there

1666
01:00:14,309 --> 01:00:12,160
might be something more going on and

1667
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,319
maybe that involves higher dimensions

1668
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:16,319
well i never thought of it like that

1669
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:18,160
type of uh travel

1670
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:20,079
uh you know a lot of people are bringing

1671
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:20,799
up

1672
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,240
you know the connection between

1673
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:24,720
consciousness and what ufos may or may

1674
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:26,079
not be so

1675
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:28,640
yeah it's it's all fascinating uh do

1676
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:30,720
earlier smaller brained primates have

1677
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:33,359
smaller eyes than we do

1678
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:35,920
yeah really well relative to the size of

1679
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:40,720
their orbits yes i published a paper

1680
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:43,359
i don't know four years ago maybe where

1681
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:46,000
we looked at uh chimpanzee eyes in the

1682
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:49,440
context of their their skulls

1683
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:51,280
and and they their eyes were slightly

1684
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:54,000
smaller but there was also way more room

1685
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:56,480
in there um and

1686
01:01:01,030 --> 01:00:59,040
the the ocular fat is mostly what made

1687
01:01:02,549 --> 01:01:01,040
up for that difference is

1688
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:02,559
they're um

1689
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:04,160
they're the rectus muscles are

1690
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:05,680
equivalent to our own their eyes were a

1691
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:08,240
little bit smaller but their uh ocular

1692
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:09,359
fat was

1693
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:11,040
off the charts and in fact homo

1694
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:13,520
heidelbergensis uh homonytal lenses who

1695
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:15,760
we aren't directly descended from but

1696
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:19,119
are still uh similar we split off from

1697
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:20,000
them around the time of

1698
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:22,240
homohydoburgences they had massive eye

1699
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:23,839
orbits

1700
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,480
almost twice the size of our own but we

1701
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:28,880
can't just assume they had bigger eyes

1702
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,720
they mostly had more of the chimpanzee

1703
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,920
characteristic especially because they

1704
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:33,920
lived in a very cold environment the

1705
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:35,839
neanderthals specifically so it was

1706
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:39,040
probably an ocular fat sort of

1707
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:41,440
cushioning slash insulation

1708
01:01:43,750 --> 01:01:42,799
situation

1709
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:43,760
um and

1710
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:44,880
the other thing that often gets

1711
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:46,799
mentioned just real quick is that our

1712
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:49,119
brains have been shrinking and we we

1713
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:51,280
used to think it was 30 000 years that

1714
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:53,200
they've been shrinking but a recent

1715
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:54,559
study that just came out in the last

1716
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:56,799
month or so show it's only about 3 000

1717
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:58,480
years that's been getting smaller and

1718
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:01,039
there have been these diachronic changes

1719
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:02,880
i reference a paper in my most recent

1720
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:04,480
book that shows that

1721
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:07,599
a brain that's about 3 000 cubic

1722
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:08,880
centimeters

1723
01:02:13,829 --> 01:02:12,160
is the ideal size for efficiency it's

1724
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:13,839
the most efficient brain

1725
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:16,559
and that's that doubles the size that we

1726
01:02:21,430 --> 01:02:18,559
have now we're about 14 to 1600 cubic

1727
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:21,440
centimeters the brain of chimpanzees and

1728
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:24,000
our early hominins was about 400 cubic

1729
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:26,079
centimeters so we'd have a tripling of

1730
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:27,280
our brain size actually i think it was a

1731
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:30,240
tripling that they said too it's 3 500

1732
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:31,839
cubic centimeters so it's almost three

1733
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:33,520
times what our brain size is and if

1734
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,520
there is a pleotropic relationship

1735
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:37,680
between the brain and the eye and we

1736
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:39,599
triple the size of our brain we might

1737
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:42,880
expect the eye to triple in size as well

1738
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:45,839
wow that's all fascinating um here's

1739
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:47,760
like a star wars type question could the

1740
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:51,520
greys come from the very distant past

1741
01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:53,440
probably not in our past or could they

1742
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:56,240
not not our past no um maybe someone

1743
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:57,920
else's past and they that that was

1744
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:59,520
something whitley strieber pointed out

1745
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:01,359
in the book communion is that you know

1746
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:03,920
it could be an extraterrestrial species

1747
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:06,240
that that comes here

1748
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:08,160
who can travel through space and

1749
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:09,680
possibly in the way i described by

1750
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:11,839
mitigating the effects of time dilation

1751
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:14,160
travel back through time so when they

1752
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:15,280
got home

1753
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:16,400
they could still

1754
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:18,160
you know say hi to their their their

1755
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:20,240
families on the same day

1756
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:22,160
um but that they come to this different

1757
01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:23,839
planet and then go back through time to

1758
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:26,640
sort of see what we're like and and that

1759
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:28,240
you know would be a possibility if the

1760
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:30,640
grays were extraterrestrial

1761
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:33,119
if they were extra tempestrial which is

1762
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:34,319
what i argue

1763
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:35,839
they would have to come from our future

1764
01:03:40,069 --> 01:03:37,359
simply because we would be their

1765
01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:40,079
ancestors and it would take us existing

1766
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:42,640
now and in the past to further evolve to

1767
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:44,960
become them so they're they're

1768
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:46,799
this crypto terrestrial idea has been

1769
01:03:49,829 --> 01:03:48,240
around for a while

1770
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:49,839
it doesn't really make sense in the

1771
01:03:54,789 --> 01:03:52,400
context of human evolution but

1772
01:03:56,710 --> 01:03:54,799
uh it it still should be discussed i

1773
01:03:57,670 --> 01:03:56,720
guess

1774
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:57,680
when

1775
01:04:02,710 --> 01:03:59,280
you say that

1776
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:02,720
uh about you know not manipulating

1777
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:05,359
things or influencing or whatever uh you

1778
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:06,880
know you hear all the time well why

1779
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:09,200
don't they just show themselves to us

1780
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:10,799
and you know some people say well

1781
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:12,400
obviously they want us to see their

1782
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:13,760
crafts because

1783
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:15,440
there's no reason why they should have

1784
01:04:19,109 --> 01:04:17,520
lights on them but there are lights

1785
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:19,119
but then you get to the point where

1786
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:21,200
people always say well

1787
01:04:24,549 --> 01:04:23,839
until one lands on the white house lawn

1788
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:24,559
so

1789
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:26,960
a time traveler obviously would not want

1790
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:29,680
to land on the white house lawn and show

1791
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:31,680
themselves to the world right not yet

1792
01:04:34,950 --> 01:04:33,440
because they would be influencing i'm

1793
01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:34,960
just trying to

1794
01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:36,640
go along no it's not about influence

1795
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:38,559
again though like they can do that at

1796
01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:40,799
any point and i think they actually will

1797
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:44,000
and i think we're on a path

1798
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:46,400
to understanding that reality i think

1799
01:04:48,390 --> 01:04:47,760
what's been happening

1800
01:04:50,230 --> 01:04:48,400
and

1801
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:50,240
i talked about this in the last chapter

1802
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:52,160
of my first book identified flying

1803
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:54,400
objects where if we get to the point

1804
01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:56,319
where we can understand

1805
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:58,400
who they are what they're doing when

1806
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:00,480
they're coming from why they're doing

1807
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:02,400
these things how they're doing it how

1808
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:04,000
they're manipulating space time in these

1809
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:06,960
ways there's nothing paradoxical about

1810
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:08,880
them introducing themselves about them

1811
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:10,880
landing on the white house lawn about us

1812
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:13,760
having coffee with them and i talk about

1813
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:15,760
these time races where in the same way

1814
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:17,200
that you

1815
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:19,119
you might be traveling and see people

1816
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:21,119
from all parts of the world at some

1817
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:22,559
point in the near future once we get to

1818
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:24,240
the point where we recognize the reality

1819
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:26,319
of this if it is actually the case

1820
01:05:31,589 --> 01:05:28,480
there there's nothing that prohibits

1821
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:31,599
deep interaction where we could have

1822
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:33,520
uh be walking around see people from

1823
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:35,680
3000 years in the future 200 years in

1824
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:37,920
the future uh possibly they go back and

1825
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:38,880
get some

1826
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:40,480
really uh

1827
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:42,240
enlightened people from the past and

1828
01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:44,720
bring them into the future or into our

1829
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:45,599
prison

1830
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:47,440
there's nothing that prohibits that you

1831
01:05:51,150 --> 01:05:49,520
can build these bridges and i think the

1832
01:05:53,670 --> 01:05:51,160
issue is just where we were in our

1833
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:53,680
conceptualization of it we didn't have

1834
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:55,599
and still don't though i think we're

1835
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:57,599
getting close the capacity to understand

1836
01:06:01,990 --> 01:05:59,680
this we we all watch back to the future

1837
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:02,000
it ruined our brains and it set us back

1838
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:03,760
like 20 years in our ability to

1839
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:05,359
understand the reality of the block

1840
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:07,680
universe and it sucks and there's been a

1841
01:06:12,150 --> 01:06:10,160
lot of like i mentioned dark a lot this

1842
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:12,160
german show they clearly consulted with

1843
01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:14,319
with physicists on this because they do

1844
01:06:18,069 --> 01:06:16,480
a really good job adhering to the block

1845
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:18,079
universe model in the show and it's

1846
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:19,599
extremely entertaining

1847
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:22,079
i i will admit i've been consulting for

1848
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:23,039
some

1849
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:25,680
people uh screenplay writers who are

1850
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:27,200
doing movie scripts that involve

1851
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:28,880
backward time travel

1852
01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:30,880
and there's way more you can do

1853
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:32,480
outside the block universe it's somewhat

1854
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:34,960
limiting but the universe as we know it

1855
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:37,760
is a block universe and within that

1856
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:40,079
there's nothing that would keep us from

1857
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:41,599
landing on the white house lawn in the

1858
01:06:46,230 --> 01:06:43,760
future and really starting to interact

1859
01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:46,240
with and possibly even marry and have

1860
01:06:49,589 --> 01:06:47,839
children with people from different

1861
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:49,599
times in the same way that we do with

1862
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:52,400
people from different geographic

1863
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:54,720
places today

1864
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:55,760
um

1865
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:56,960
what about

1866
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:58,960
you would think that

1867
01:07:01,670 --> 01:07:00,799
you know obviously we need a lot of help

1868
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:01,680
here

1869
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:02,559
and

1870
01:07:07,589 --> 01:07:04,960
we're taking a lot of i think a lot of

1871
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:07,599
we're doing things wrong

1872
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:08,480
um

1873
01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:12,319
for the planet in general you would

1874
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:13,839
do you think that they would come back

1875
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:15,200
and say hey look

1876
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:17,599
you know we talked earlier you spoke

1877
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:20,160
earlier on about the telepathy people

1878
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:22,160
claim that they're having and a lot of

1879
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:23,839
it has to do with the earth is being

1880
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:26,720
destroyed or whatever but um

1881
01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:28,480
do you think that there would be some

1882
01:07:32,470 --> 01:07:30,880
type of intervention if we were right

1883
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:32,480
you know right at the edge of

1884
01:07:35,750 --> 01:07:34,160
the brink of disaster

1885
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:35,760
i do yeah and

1886
01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:38,000
and i this is really where it got deep

1887
01:07:42,549 --> 01:07:40,160
into the weeds on the whole

1888
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:42,559
uh multiverse block time thing with

1889
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:44,640
regard to the nuclear question

1890
01:07:49,589 --> 01:07:47,760
because if we did nuke ourselves

1891
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:49,599
they couldn't change that

1892
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:51,119
ah but

1893
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:53,039
when when we were

1894
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:55,039
shooting each other with spears and bows

1895
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:56,400
and arrows

1896
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:58,960
beating each other on the head with logs

1897
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,280
that's you know their focus was probably

1898
01:08:05,029 --> 01:08:03,359
a little different

1899
01:08:07,589 --> 01:08:05,039
than when we got to the point that we

1900
01:08:09,829 --> 01:08:07,599
could annihilate

1901
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:09,839
millions of people at one time and most

1902
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:12,720
importantly taint the planet that they

1903
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:15,119
may need to inherit from us at some

1904
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:16,719
point in the future and that's a

1905
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:18,239
long-lasting thing that's not very

1906
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:20,319
long-lasting a big club that you can hit

1907
01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:21,839
a million people in the head with at one

1908
01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:24,319
time there's nuclear fallout that lasts

1909
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:25,279
for

1910
01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:27,279
depending on the type of bomb you know

1911
01:08:32,309 --> 01:08:30,159
thousands millions of years so right uh

1912
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:32,319
i i do kind of think they see us as

1913
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:35,679
children juggling chainsaws high on acid

1914
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:38,719
in a tree top somewhere they they think

1915
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:41,199
that we are irresponsible and because we

1916
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,759
are and we have proven that many times

1917
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:45,600
and because we have weapons that could

1918
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:48,239
potentially uh harm the planet that we

1919
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:50,719
might both call home i i do think that

1920
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:52,960
that helps explain some of those things

1921
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:54,400
and again not that they were trying to

1922
01:08:58,470 --> 01:08:56,319
change something that happened

1923
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:58,480
that they may maybe are monitoring and

1924
01:09:01,669 --> 01:09:00,080
maybe that's why they're seen so often

1925
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:01,679
around um

1926
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these navy ships and and all of these

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military vehicles of the western world

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because they're they want to make sure

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they have a good bead on what we're

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doing at any given time just in case

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they notice a problem ahead of time that

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we don't and they can shut it down i

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think it's more a preventative thing but

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again i do talk about in the context of

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the multiverse too in which case you

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could change the past in certain

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timelines and and that should be

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discussed as well

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this gentleman's asked this question a

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few times

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similar can one self tap into another

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self multiverse to see

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uh see what

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uh do you kind of understand that one

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yeah um and if different timelines exist

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if different universes exist i don't see

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why not and i guess that's what i was

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trying to say about

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you know some of these um

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paranormal peri normal i started calling

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them because it's a slightly less

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tainted word

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experiences people have you know maybe

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the ufo phenomenon's related to that i

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don't think it is personally but on an

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individual level if we're talking about

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the mind and the soul and consciousness

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um i don't see any reason why

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if if

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the the the mind seems to be bound by

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the body but only while this body exists

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and then once the body doesn't exist

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it's liberated and you see this over and

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over again with uh remote viewers are

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good at doing it near death experiences

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um are a very common case where people

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separate from their body and they're

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unbound from space and time a lot of

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people who have past life experiences

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and and my wife and i are finding this

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respect because she remembers past lives

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i have only lived in this body and i

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think when i die i just start over again

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i go back to whenever

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the pineal gland or whatever however the

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soul enters the body and live this life

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over and over and i think it helps

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explain a lot of my precognition that

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i've had since i was themselves very

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small child

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um but others who who enter other bodies

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in different times

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why couldn't that extend to the

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multiverse if the multiverse exists

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where you you can connect with your

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consciousness in different dimensions

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different universes as opposed to just

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different times within the block

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universe

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wow this is also fascinating and i i

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think the chalk could last forever i

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know you got to get to your tacos it's

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taco time

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thanks so much and i look forward to

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seeing you in a couple of months

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absolutely martin thanks for having me

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on so it's pleasure all right can you do

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mention the title one more time if your

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book is down below in the show notes

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yeah the first book is identified flying

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objects it's more of a a hard science

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it's been

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referred to as dense

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um but i i do think it's a good way of

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sort of interjecting the idea and

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getting a foundation and then the extra

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tempestuo model is the most recent one

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and it's it's much more readable um

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but it's not as as as sciencey it's more

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of uh stories it's telling stories and

2011
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then interjecting that science where

2012
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wherever it seems appropriate um but

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yeah both have been super fun and

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talking to people like you and and

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so many others that have come across as

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a result of these projects has been a

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delight so so thank you thank you very

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much all right we'll see you soon take

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care thank you

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all right everyone so that's it for

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tonight thank you so much for watching

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we'll be back next week with stephanie

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elizabeth

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and we'll see you then at seven o'clock

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next week and remember to keep your eyes

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to the sky by the way i might be on my

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boat next week depending on the weather

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see you then